Below is a selection of fastener sizes and general torque settings that may be useful.
Bolt Sizes:
(This is the best that I could do in getting the original spread sheet to fit on the blog page. It will be added to as I continue with the refurb).
Location | Bolt Type | Bolt Size | Quantity | Bolt Length | Washer | Nut |
Random | ||||||
Rear Hand Brake | Set Screw | M6 | 1 | 20mm | Spring | |
Middle Hand Brake | Set Screw | M8 | 1 | 40mm | Spring | |
Hand Brake Switch Nut | M12 | 1 | Plain | |||
Battery Box | Set Screw | M8 | 2 | 20mm | Spring (x2), Plain Large (x2) | |
Bonnet Hinge | Allen Head | M6 | 2 | 25mm | Plain (x2) | |
Lower Petrol Tank | Set Screw | M8 | 2 | 20mm | Plain (x2), Plain Large (x2) | Nyloc |
Washer Resevoir Bracket | Set Screw | M6 | 2 | 20mm | Plain (x4) | Nyloc |
Fuel Filter Bracket (to Body) | Set Screw | M8 | 1 | 16mm | ||
Fuel Filter Bracket (to Filter) | Bolt | M8 | 1 | 45mm | Plain (x2) | Nyloc |
Fuel Pump To Chassis Nuts | M5 | 2 | Plain (x4) | Nyloc | ||
Rear Brake Caliper Bolts | Allen Head | M10 | 4 | 30mm | Spring (x4) | |
3 Way Brake Union | M6 | 1 | Spring | Nyloc | ||
Radiator Bobbins (Engine Side) | M8 | 2 | Spring (x2), Plain Large (x2) | Plain (x2) | ||
Carbon Canister in Wheel Arch | M5 | 1 | Penny | Nyloc | ||
Front Hub Pinch Bolt | Set Screw | M12 | 2 | 70mm | Nyloc (x2) | |
100 amp Nuts | M5 | 2 | Plain | Plain (x2) | ||
Bonnet Adjuster Rubbers | Allen Head | M6 | 2 | 25mm | ||
Expansion Tank | Set Screw | M8 | 1 | 20mm | Plain | |
Set Screw | M6 | 1 | 25mm | Spring, Plain | ||
Steering UJ’s | Bolt | M8 | 2 | 40mm | Nyloc (x2) | |
Air Filter Bolt | Set Screw | M8 | 1 | 25mm | Spring, Plain, Penny | |
Diff And ARB Mounts | ||||||
Inner Drive Shaft to Diff | Allen Head | M10 | 12 | 60mm | Spring (x12) | |
Outer Drive Shaft to Hub | Allen Head | M10 | 12 | 60mm | Spring (x12) | |
Front ARB Clamps | Set Screw | M10 | 4 | 30mm | Spring (x4), Plain (x4) | |
O/S ARB Mount (Front) | Set Screw | M8 | 1 | 30mm | Plain (x6) | Nyloc (x2), Plain |
(Rear) | Set Screw | M8 | 1 | 20mm | ||
N/S ARB Mount (Front) | Set Screw | M8 | 1 | 30mm | Plain (x6) | Nyloc (x2), Plain |
(Rear) | Set Screw | M8 | 1 | 20mm | ||
O/S Diff Mount | Bolt | 7/16″ (20tpi) UNF | 1 | 3.5″ | Plain (x2) | Nyloc |
N/S Diff Mount | Bolt | 7/16″ (20tpi) UNF | 1 | 3.5″ | Plain (x2) | Nyloc |
Rear Diff Mount | Bolt | 7/16″ (20tpi) UNF | 1 | 3.5″ | Plain (x2) | Nyloc |
Rear Diff Plate to Diff | Allen Head | M10 | 2 | 40mm | Spring (x2) | |
Allen Head | M10 | 2 | 30mm | Spring (x2) | ||
Front Diff Mounts to Diff | Allen Head | M12 | 4 | 30mm | Spring (x4) | Plain (x4) |
Prop Shaft to Diff | Set Screw | 3/8″ (24tpi) UNF | 4 | 1 1/4″ | Nyloc (x4) | |
Interior Fixings/Seat Belts | ||||||
Rear Seat Nuts | M8 | 4 | Plain (x4), Plain Large (x4) | Nyloc | ||
Front Seat Nuts | M8 | 4 | Plain (x4) | Nyloc | ||
Front Outside Seat Belt | Set Screw | 7/16″ (20tpi) UNF | 2 | 1.5″ | ||
Front Inner | Set Screw | 7/16″ (20tpi) UNF | 2 | 1.5″ | Plain (x2) | |
Rear Lower Belt Reel | Bolt | 7/16″ (20tpi) UNF | 2 | 2″ | Nyloc (x2) | |
Top Seat Belt | Set Screw | 7/16″ (20tpi) UNF | 2 | 1.5″ | Wave (x2), Plain (x2) | |
Engine | ||||||
Earth Bolt Front O/S Block | Set Screw | M8 | 1 | 20mm | Spring, Plain | |
Front/Engine cross Member | Bolt | M10 | 4 | 70mm | Plain (x8) | Nyloc (x4) |
N/S Engine Mount to Chassis | Bolt | M10 | 2 | 80mm | Plain (x4) | Nyloc (x2) |
O/S Engine Mount to Chassis | Bolt | M10 | 2 | 80mm | Plain (x4) | Nyloc (x2) |
N/S Engine Mount Bracket | Set Screw | 7/16″ (14tpi) UNC | 2 | 3/4″ | Spring (x2), Plain (x2) | |
Set Screw | 5/16″ (18tpi) | 1 | 3/4″ | Spring, Plain | ||
O/S Engine Mount Bracket | Set Screw | 7/16″ (14tpi) UNC | 2 | 1″ | Spring (x2), Plain (x2) | |
Set Screw | 5/16″ (18tpi) | 1 | 3/4″ | Spring, Plain | ||
Mushroom Screw | M5 | 2 | 25mm | Plain (x2) | ||
O/S Engine Mount | M10 | 2 | Plain (x2) | Nyloc (x2) | ||
N/S Engine Mount | M10 | 2 | Plain (x2) | Nyloc (x2) | ||
Brake Pipe Block Surround | Set Screw | M6 | 4 | 20mm | Plain (x4) | |
Swirl Pot | Set Screw | M8 | 4 | 20mm | Plain (x8) | Nyloc (x4) |
Gearbox | ||||||
Middle G/Box Knob Connection | Bolt | M8 | 1 | 40mm | Plain (x2) | Nyloc |
Rear G/Box Knob Connection | Bolt | M8 | 1 | 40mm | Plain (x2) | Nyloc |
G/Box Mount Bracket | Set Screw | M10 | 2 | 30mm | Plain (x4) | Nyloc |
G/Box Second Support | Bolt | M10 | 4 | 80mm | Plain (x8) | Nyloc |
Rubber Gearbox Mount | M8 | 4 | Spring (x4), Penny (x4) | Plain (x4) | ||
Chassis Bolts | ||||||
Front | Set Screw | M10 | 2 | 35mm | Plain (x2) | |
Rear | Set Screw | M10 | 2 | 35mm | Plain (x2), Spring (x2) | |
Allen Head | M10 | 2 | 40mm | Spring (x2) | ||
Centre Consol | Set Screw | M10 | 2 | 50mm | Plain (x2), Spring (x2), Penny (x2) | |
Longer Cabin | Set Screw | M10 | 10 | 35mm | Plain (x20), Spring (x10) | |
Shorter Cabin | Set Screw | M10 | 4 | 30mm | Plain (x8), Spring (x4) | |
Exhaust | ||||||
Exhaust Clamp to Engine Block | Set Screw | 5/16″ (18tpi) UNC | 1 | 1″ | Plain, Spring | |
Rear Exhaust Clamp | M6 | 2 | Plain | Nyloc x2 | ||
Exhaust to Tray Bolts | Bolt | M10 | 3 | 60mm | Plain (x6) | Nyloc (x3) |
Exhaust Tray to Chassis Bolts | Set Screw | M10 | 6 | 25mm | Spring (x6), Penny (x6) |
N.B. The interior chassis bolts that came off my car were in 2 lengths as shown. This seems to be the classic case on initial assembly that the factory used whatever was available. You can choose whichever length you want as both fit with no problems in all the fastening locations.
Tools Needed:
The following is a selection of which bolts and nuts need what size sockets and spanners. Please don’t take this as gospel as it may have been the case that the sockets/spanners I used worked for that particular application (even they may not have been the actual correct size). If anything its a good starting point.
100amp Fuse Nuts | 8mm Socket |
3-Way Brake Nut | 10mm Deep Socket |
Allen Head Rear Chassis Bolts | 6mm Allen Socket |
Alternator Bolts | 10mm Socket |
Alternator Nuts | 13mm Spanner |
Battery Box Bolts | 13mm Socket |
Battery Terminals | 14mm Spanner |
Belt Tensioner Bracket Bolts | 1/2 Imperial Socket |
Belt Tensioner Nut | 15mm Socket |
Bonnet Hinge Allen Bolts | 5mm Allen Socket |
Brake Bleed Nipples | 11mm Spanner |
Brake Caliper Bolts | 8mm Allen Socket |
Brake Unions Female | 14mm Spanner |
Brake Unions Male | 7/16 Imperial Spanner |
Cable Ties | Side Cutters |
Carbon Canister Nut | 10mm Socket |
Centre Console Screws | Phillips Screwdriver |
Chassis Bolts | 17mm Socket |
Damper Bolts/Nuts | 11/16 Imperial Socket |
Diff Brackets to Chassis Bolts/Nuts | 5/8 Imperial Socket/Spanner |
Diff Mounting Chassis Bolts/Nuts | 5/8 Imperial Socket/Spanner |
Drive Shaft Allen Bolts | 8mm Allen Socket |
Engine Bay Cross Member Bolts/Nuts | 17mm Socket/Spanner |
Engine Bracket Mount Lower Bolts | 5/8 Imperial Socket |
Engine Bracket Mount Upper Bolt | 1/2 Imperial Socket |
Engine Rubbers to Chassis Bolts/Nuts | 17mm Socket/Spanner |
Engine Rubbers to Engine Mount Nuts | 17mm Spanner |
Exhaust Flange Bolt | 5/16 Imperial Socket |
Exhaust Plate to Chassis Bolts | 17mm Socket |
Exhaust Rubber Mount Bolts | 17mm Socket |
Exhaust Rubber Mount Nuts | 17mm Spanner |
Exhaust to Y-Piece Clamp | 13mm Deep Socket |
Expansion Tank Bolts | 10mm & 13mm Sockets |
Forward Hand Brake Bolt | 13mm Spanner |
Front ARB Bolts | 17mm Socket |
Front Diff Bracket Bolts/Nuts | 10mm Allen Socket/19mm Spanner |
Fuel Filter Bracket Bolt/Nut | 13mm Socket/Spanner |
Fuel Filter to Chassis Bolt | 13mm Socket |
Fuel Pump Nuts | 8mm Deep Socket |
Gear Box Mounting Rubber Nuts | 13mm Spanner |
Gear Box Remote Bolt/Nut | 13mm Socket/Spanner |
Gear Box Support Bracket Bolts/Nuts | 17mm Socket/Spanner |
Gear Box to Mount Nuts | 17mm Spanner |
Gear Stick Remote Bolt/Nut | 13mm Socket/Spanner |
Handbrake Grub Screws | 2mm Allen Key |
Jubilee Clips | Flat Blade Screwdriver |
Lower Drop Link Nuts | 17mm Socket |
Lower Fuel Tank Clip/Hook Bolts | 13mm Spanner |
Lower Fuel Tank Clip/Hook Nuts | 13mm Socket |
Manilfold Bolts | 14mm Spanner |
Outrigger Chassis Bolts | 17mm Socket |
PAS Banjo Bolt | 24mm Socket |
PAS Reservoir Bracket | Adjustable Wrench |
Plenum Allen Bolts | 6mm Allen Socket |
Prop Shaft Bolts/Nuts | 9/16 Imperial Socket/Spanner |
Radiator Bobbins | 13mm Socket |
Rear ARB Bracket Nuts | 13mm Socket |
Rear Diff Bracket Allen Bolts | 8mm Allen Socket |
Rear Exhaust Clamp Nuts | 10mm Deep Socket |
Rearward Hand Brake Bolt | 10mm Spanner |
Seat Belt Bolts | 11/16 Imperial Socket |
Seat Nuts | 13mm Deep Socket |
Steering Rack Bolts | 13mm Socket |
Stepper Motor | Adjustable Wrench |
Swirl Pot Bolts | 13mm Socket |
Swirl Pot Nuts | 13mm Spanner |
Throttle Potentionmeter Screws | Flat Blade Screwdriver |
Upper Drop Link Nuts | 13mm Socket |
Upper Fuel Tank Bracket Nuts | 10mm Deep Socket |
Upper Fuel Tank Clip/Hook Bolts | 13mm Socket |
Wash/Wipe Pump Bracket Bolts/Nuts | 10mm Socket/Spanner |
Water Pump P-Clip | 10mm Socket |
Wheel Arch Access Screws | Phillips Screwdriver |
Wishbone Bolts/Nuts | 3/4 Imperial Socket/Spanner |
Y-Piece to Manifold Clamp Nuts | 11mm Deep Socket |
Torque Settings:
This is a general list that has been floating around a while on the various TVR forums and I thought I’d collate it all together. If the original owner/creator wants me to remove it I will do so immediately.
Component | Nm | Lb.ft | |
Crankshaft pulley bolt | 270 | 200 | |
Camshaft gear bolt | 50 | 37 | |
Camshaft thrust plate bolts | 25 | 18 | |
Rocker cover bolts | Note 1 | ||
Stage 1 | 4 | 3 | |
Stage 2 | 8 | 6 | |
Stage 3 – loosen and re-torque to: | 8 | 6 | |
Rocker shaft to cylinder head bolts | 38 | 28 | |
Cylinder head bolts | Note 1 & 2 | ||
Stage 1 | 20 | 15 | |
Stage 2 | Then 90 degrees | ||
Stage 3 | Further 90 degrees | ||
Lifting eye to cylinder head bolts | 40 | 30 | |
Connecting rod bolts: | |||
Stage 1 | 20 | 15 | |
Stage 2 | Further 80 degrees | ||
Main bearing cap bolts – Nos. 1 to 8 | Note 1 | ||
Stage 1 – initial torque | 13.5 | 10 | |
Stage 2 – final torque | 72 | 53 | |
Rear main bearing cap bolts – Nos. 9 and 10 | Note 1 | ||
Stage 1 – initial torque | 13.5 | 10 | |
Stage 2 – final torque | 92 | 68 | |
Main bearing cap side bolts – Nos. 11 to 20 | Note 1 | ||
Stage 1 – initial torque | 13.5 | 10 | |
Stage 2 – final torque | 45 | 33 | |
Flywheel bolts | 80 | 59 | |
Drive plate assembly bolts | 45 | 33 | |
Drive plate hub aligner to crankshaft socket head cap screws | 85 | 63 | |
Oil sump drain plug | 45 | 33 | |
Oil sump nuts and bolts | 23 | 17 | Note 1 |
Oil pump cover plate screws | 4 | 3 | Note 3 |
Oil pump cover plate bolt | 8 | 6 | Note 3 |
Spark plugs . | 20 | 15 | |
Timing cover/coolant pump to cylinder block bolts | 22 | 16 | |
Oil pick-up pipe to oil pump bolts | 8 | 6 | |
Oil pick-up pipe nut | 24 | 18 | |
Knock sensors to cylinder block | 16 | 12 | |
Camshaft sensor to timing cover bolt | 8 | 6 | |
Crankshaft position sensor bolts | 6 | 4 | |
Oil cooler connections | 15 | 11 | |
Note 1: Tighten in sequence | |||
Note 2: Lightly oil threads prior to assembly | |||
Note 3: Coat threads with Loctite 222 prior to assembly | |||
General Torque Settings | Nm | lb.ft | |
M5 | 4 | 3 | |
M6 | 6 | 4 | |
M8 | 18 | 13 | |
M10 | 35 | 26 | |
M12 | 65 | 48 | |
M14 | 80 | 59 | |
M16 | 130 | 96 | |
1/4 UNC/UNF | 9 | 7 | |
5/16 UNC and UNF | 25 | 18 | |
3/8 UNC and UNF | 40 | 30 | |
7/16 UNC and UNF | 75 | 55 | |
1/ 2 UNC and UNF | 90 | 66 | |
5/8 UNC and UNF | 135 | 100 | |
Component | ft lbs | Nm | |
Caliper to front upright | 43 | 50 | |
Track rod end to upright | 30 | 40 | |
Bottom balljoint to upright | 60 | 81 | |
Top balljoint to upright | 60 | 81 | |
Upper balljoint adapter pinch bolt | 59 | 80 | |
Top front wishbone to balljoint HSG | 35 | 47 | |
Bottom wishbone to balljoint HSG | Dec-15 | 16 | |
Steering rack mountings | Dec-15 | 16 | |
Steering UJ clamp bolts | Dec-15 | 16 | |
Front & rear hub retaining nuts | 229 | 310 | |
Rear caliper to bearing carrier | 40 | 54 | |
Rear bearing carrier to upright | 45 | 61 | |
Differential front allen bolts | 90 | 122-136 | |
Differential bushes to chassis | 48 | 65 | |
Rear diff carrier to diff (cap Hd) | 33 | 45 | |
Top rear diff bush pinch bolt | 45 | 61 | |
All front wishbones to chassis | 45 | 61 | |
All rear wishbones to chassis | 45 | 61-65 | |
All rear wishbones to upright | 45 | 61 | |
All damper bolts | 55 | 75 | |
Roll bar mounting clamp to chassis | 30 | 40 | |
Drive shaft bolts to diff | 32 | 38 | |
Drive shaft bolts to axle shafts | 32 | 38 | |
Seat belt anchorage bolts | 25 | 34 | |
Wheel nuts | 73 | 99 | |
Brake master cyl to servo | 15 | 20 | |
Front crossmember | 45 | 61 | |
Gearbox crossmember | 45 | 61 |
Diagrams:
I’m not too sure if these will help or not, but with my limited graphical skills these are the best I could come up with. The following show roughly the routes that some of the pipes/hoses/systems take on their way through the chassis:
Brake/Clutch Pipes
Brakes in Red and Clutch in Blue all meeting at the connection block on the inner wing off side just in front of the rear bulkhead
Fuel Pipes
From the tank to the fuel rail in Red, running down the chassis backbone and over the bell housing to the rail. From the rail back to the tank in Blue.
Carbon Canister
Carbon Canister pipe, exiting in the very forward lower off side section of the engine bay, coming across the front of the car and then heading down the chassis backbone to the fuel tank
Cooling System
- Red – Main cooling pipes/hoses
- Yellow – Water rail
- Green – Outline of radiator
- Grey – Expansion tank
- Blue- Water pump
- Black – Swirl pot
- Purple – Engine block
The cooling system diagram isn’t the easiest to follow so I’ll explain a little more. Starting at the bottom left of frame, the pipe proceeds out of the bottom of the radiator. This pipe then splits, with one side branching off to the water pump and the other to the water rail attached to the off side rocker cover. At the other end of the water rail are the two hoses leading to and from the heater matrix inside the near side wing. The final water rail connection then goes to the top of the engine block. Centre of frame is the pipe coming out of the engine to the top of the swirl pot, before exiting out the bottom of the pot and back to the other side (off side) of the radiator. Finally there is also the pipe from the expansion tank to the swirl pot as well. Definitely recommend zooming in on the picture.
If I can think of anymore potential diagrams then these will be included as and when.
A stunning reference for all Chimaera owners, beautifully executed and presented – well done
Thank you. As long as it can potentially help out then I’m happy 🙂
Absolutely fantastic reference, I only stumbled upon this today but I am only a few hours in to my body-off project and it is already proving invaluable.
Thanks for taking the time to write it.
Many thanks and much appreciated. Best of luck with your lift and any questions just fire away !
Hi, excellent blog and reference.
Could you please drop me an email as we’d be interested in running this in Sprint magazine.
Er…wow ! Didn’t expect that !
Many thanks and email sent.
Superb!! Very well done and presented.
Now if you feel the need to do another I could volunteer mine 🙂
Many thanks for your efforts.
Cheers ….
Haha. As much as I enjoyed it, I’m ready to drive now rather than spend more time in the garage unfortunately 🙂
Thank you very much
Hi can you tell us where to source the paint please.
I got all the paint from ‘Frost’ (frost.co.uk). Looks like a couple of the coatings names have changed since I ordered but its pretty much all there.
Hi
Great write up, and i found it just in time as I’m about to start putting my Chimaera back together after nearly 3 years in bits, the minds gone a bit foggy on the details.
Can you confirm on your bolt list you have a lot marked as set screws, are these hex head bolts?
Cheers
Richard
Hi, many thanks for the kind words and good luck with the rebuild !
Yes they are hex head. The only reason I used Set Screw is it determines the difference between a Bolt and a Set Screw. Best way to describe it is below which I managed to find on the net and will sum it up way better than I ever could:
The Bolt is characterised as with out a full thread (i.e the thread does not reach the head), this part is known as the Shank. Bolts are generally not available in the shortest lengths as there is no room for the shank, and typically you will receive a Set Screw in place of a Bolt. The Bolt allows for movement.
The Set Screw: The Set Screw is characterised as with a full thread (i.e the thread reaches the head). Used to prevent relative motion (no movement).
Hope that helps.
That’s Brilliant thank you and for the incredibly fast reply.
I don’t suppose you have a list of wishbone bolt sizes? I couldn’t seem to find them on your Blog.
Cheers
No problem at all. That’s something I haven’t got round to adding to the list actually, must update this ASAP. In the meantime the following should help:
Front top wishbone 3″- 7/16″x4
Front lower wishbone 3″-7/16″x2
Front lower wishbone 5″-7/16″ x2
Top ball joint to wishbone 3″-7/16″x4
Front shocker 3″-1/2×4
Rear lower wishbone 3″-7/16×2
Rear lower wishbone 5″-7/16×2
Rear top wishbone 3″-7/16×2
Rear top wishbone 41/2″-1/2×2
Rear bottom shocker 31/2-1/2×2
Rear upright 3″-7/16×6
Diff mount bolts
31/2″-7/16×1
7″-7/16×2
So that’s a total of,
3″-7/16×20
5″-7/16×4
3″-1/2×4
41/2-1/2×2
31/2-1/2×2
All bolts are UNF.
Cheers
Top Man thank you, thats saved me hours of measuring, now should be able to get everything i need to get all 4 corners back on
Be careful when you are ordering the drive shaft hub bolts as there is 2 different lengths depending on the year and mine were M10 metric fine not standard M10 and you could end up forcing them in without realising the difference, take one out and check it.
Ah I didn’t know about the different lengths. Thanks for the heads up !
Just today discovered holes in the corners of my front outriggers whilst preparing for my MOT – I think it will probably fail or at best I my get an advisory – I’m going to have to bite the bullet and sort the chassis out, I knew it was just a matter of time…. then I stumbled on your blog and have read it through and now instead of fear and trepidation I’m actually looking forward to getting stuck in!! You have done a great job and a big service to guys like me – a big thank you and I haven’t even started yet!
Many thanks for the kind words. Its never nice finding that annoying rust and what its done. At least when you’re done you’ll know its all perfect under there. Best of luck !
Hi Again
I now have the body off!! Your guide was brilliant and made the job very straightforward and gave me the confidence to do it.
I am lucky enough to have a large single garage with a gable roof and was able to fasten a scaffold pole across the horizontal beams of the A section rafters. I bought two chain block hoists from Ebay (only £25 each) which made lifting the body a doddle. It will also making re-fitting the body much easier as I can drop it inch by inch till the bolts line up at front and back. Once lifted, I rolled the chassis out of the way and wheeled in a small flat trailer that I also bought from Ebay (£80) and lowered the body onto that. Then I wheeled the body out of the garage and stored under covers – luckily I have a big garden. When the job is finished, I should be able to sell the chain blocks and trailer if necessary to recoup some of my costs – or set up in business to help others do a similar restoration!! I found the bolts that went through the body floor to the chassis were almost impossible to undo but an angle grinder soon cut through the nuts underneath.
Also, instead of struggling to disconnect the rubber hose from the carbon canister (section 6 of your guide), I cut the hose where it runs under the radiator (which was already removed) and will re-join it with a hose joiner and clips.
Thanks again for this guide.
Paul
Hi
I had wanted to try a body off rebuild but was not confident to do it. Some recent discoveries of chassis, suspension and cooling faults, together with general scruffiness, wear and tear forced me on to google for some advice. I have just discovered your site and now I’m going to bite the bullet. This is just what I needed to find to give me the confidence to get started – and save myself a lot on money in garage bills. Thanks you.
Paul
Thank you very much and glad it could/might help. Best of luck !
An excellent resource – and the bolt list is a superb addition – I was just thinking about creating this very spreadsheet. Any chance of sharing your Excel version?
Thanks very much really useful!